Violence

11/25/2015

"My grandmother's grandmother was a slave. I spent many years living with her. I wasn't consciously processing how slavery impacted her life - but my grandmother was open about her feelings towards white people. Slavery passed down a trauma to me that people outside the African-American community fail to understand. We're 'trained to go' in the Bay Area - a lot of Black families here came from the South - we react instinctively to being made to feel inferior."

In line with this, prison therapist, James Gilligan, has noted that at the base of most violent acts is a presence of a profound feeling of disrespect. People tend to commit violent acts when they feel disrespected, and they don't feel as though there is any other way to gain that respect back.

But this is a society that doesn't hesitate to disrespect the disadvantaged, whether the disadvantaged in question are the poor, people of color, individuals labeled by the state as criminals, or other vulnerable individuals or groups. Oftentimes, on the part of those most vulnerable, the attitude that violence is the answer doesn't seem that unreasonable.

This demand is unidirectional. The oppressed don't have the resources to show unconditional love; they are busy surviving. The oppressors have all the resources. Let's start with debt forgiveness and the end of state violence. We are busy holding our breath.

But conditional love, or the attitude that you will only get my love if you show me love and respect back on my terms, only works if we are already on equal footing. In an unequal society, someone has to give first.

Unconditional love and respect should not be expected from the oppressed, but it should be expected from the oppressors.

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22 Comments

TacticusThrowaway link

12/30/2015 03:01:09 pm

"Slavery passed down a trauma to me that people outside the African-American community fail to understand."

I'm a Caribbean black man who lives in a black-majority country.
what are you even talking about?

"Unconditional love and respect should not be expected from the oppressed, but it should be expected from the oppressors."

You deserve privileges because of your race. Got it.

"This demand is unidirectional. The oppressed don't have the resources to show unconditional love; they are busy surviving."

And how does this self-martyring blog post contribute to that survival?

"The oppressors have all the resources."

What...what are you typing this on? Are you dictating to a friendly white person?

izlude7027 link

12/30/2015 03:02:05 pm

"Yes, it must be so horrible to live in the Bay Area, with so many tangible memories of servitude all around you."

-Chinese Americans

midnight_riddle link

12/30/2015 03:03:02 pm

"Slavery passed down a trauma to me that people outside the African-American community fail to understand. We're 'trained to go' in the Bay Area - people of color here react instinctively to being made to feel inferior."

TIL every non-white person is African-American!

LeChiffre1988 link

12/30/2015 03:03:42 pm

Because only black people have ever been victims of slavery.

lostmyhxlo link

12/30/2015 03:04:32 pm

Sure. And my native ancestors being killed by white men passed on trauma to me. Oh wait. It didn't, because I'm not an idiot!

dawgfan24348 link

12/30/2015 03:05:06 pm

I have Irish ancestors, England is my trigger

Dabee625 link

12/30/2015 03:05:44 pm

I'm a Jew with Holocaust survivors in my immediate ancestry, and I can say nothing gets me fuming quicker than people bitching about "inherited trauma." It's the biggest load of bullshit.

Jackmono link

12/30/2015 03:06:38 pm

"People tend to commit violent acts when they feel disrespected, and they don't feel as though there is any other way to gain that respect back."

My experience of dealing with gangbangers in Compton and Pacoima is that their idea of "disrespect" is being annoyed when they harass and intimidate you. They're violent assholes.

EDNivek link

12/30/2015 03:07:14 pm

What is this Lamarckian genetics?

LostInTheAtlantic link

12/30/2015 03:08:56 pm

To be fair, there is some science dictating that it is possible that trauma can manifest itself in later generations. Referred to as "epigenetic inheritance."

Nothing like what this person is saying, but still:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes

redbreadredemption link

12/30/2015 03:09:49 pm

THIS WAS THE NEXT STEP IN ABSTERGO'S GRAND PLAN.
TO INFLICT THE PAIN OF THE SLAVES TO THEIR GENETIC DESCENDANTS.

#HaythamWasRight

Aurondarklord link

12/30/2015 03:10:45 pm

Passed down a trauma? What, you can leave a psychological condition to someone in your will now?

No, I don't owe anybody unconditional love because of their race!

stillnotking link

12/30/2015 03:11:40 pm

Where did this idea come from that people's feelings justify their bad behavior? The antebellum white South owned slaves because they didn't "feel" like working in the fields; did that make it OK? What's the moral difference between that, and shivving some dude in prison because you "feel" like he disrespected you?

People (who aren't complete psychopaths) always have motives for evil behavior, because we have motives for everything we do. There's a huge difference between explaining and justifying, of which this author appears totally unaware -- at least as it applies to her "side".

ThatCrossCountry link

12/30/2015 03:13:50 pm

I'm partially Indian and the Mughal Empire makes me entitled to feel traumatized, and that I can fuck with Muslims because they don't understand what they did to me, because it was all Muslims that were Mughals the same way it was all white people that enslaved. Those quakers back in the day were literally the devil, the DEVIL.

The Sicilian

1/6/2016 11:16:54 pm

I'm Sicilian, am I entitled to unconditional love from the Moors, the Italians, the Greeks, oh and the rest of the Mediterranean?

Sigh

1/7/2016 02:29:26 am

"my grandmother was open about her feelings towards white people."

You aren't. Because this dishonest spiel was meant to invoke sympathy for your mental illness and or con. Revealing your racism and hatred would impede that.

When your source is some nobody prison therapist... you're reaching for straws.

People commit violent acts for all sorts of reasons. You guys are violent by nature. Lack of self control for one. An inability to express yourself is another. We do love all the hand gestures though.

Your next paragraph is a fine example of that.

"But this is a society that doesn't hesitate to disrespect the disadvantaged, whether the disadvantaged in question are the poor, people of color, individuals labeled by the state as criminals, or other vulnerable individuals or groups."

Ok, how about some EXAMPLES? Because you aren't actually saying anything. It's just a bunch of generic hearsay.

"But conditional love, or the attitude that you will only get my love if you show me love and respect back on my terms, only works if we are already on equal footing. In an unequal society, someone has to give first."

No one knows what you're talking about there.

But in the next paragraph (it should have been part of the previous one) you elaborate some.

"Unconditional love and respect should not be expected from the oppressed, but it should be expected from the oppressors. This demand is unidirectional. The oppressed don't have the resources to show unconditional love; they are busy surviving. The oppressors have all the resources. Let's start with debt forgiveness and the end of state violence. We are busy holding our breath."

Were you high when you wrote this? Unconditional love... like from a doggy? Oh 'demand' very trendy of you. Resources to show unconditional love??? Busy surviving... you mean like 99% of whites?

I bet, "oppressors" was grannies favourite word haha.

Ah resources means money. So because you got a stupid degree that makes you unemployable, tax payers should foot the bill? Because you went on a shopping spread, Bank of America should swallow the lost? Maybe next Christmas.

stiff77

1/7/2016 05:58:24 am

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children aged 10 to 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Still 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. Many people today avoid calling the Irish slaves called what they really were: Slaves. They use words such as "indentured servants" to describe what happened to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves The Slaves That Time Forgot.

They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children. Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment.

They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives. We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor. The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.

By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish.

However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts. African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion.

These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decad

Rustle James

1/7/2016 06:56:59 am

I find it hard to believe that you've spent time with your grandmother's grandmother.

"Unconditional love and respect should not be expected from the oppressed, but it should be expected from the oppressors" so it is a poor me whitey is bad gibs me dat.

If you are trained to go, then go away.

First American

1/7/2016 11:39:05 pm

Oh PLEASE. I'm Native American, and have RECENT, tangible trauma in my family.
My FATHER (not some distant relative I most likely never met...) was taken as a child, and adopted out to a white family, and was forced to assimilate.
Know what he did? Sucked it the fuck up, went to school, got a decent job, and when he could, re-connected with his blood relatives.
He ACTUALLY made sure we knew our REAL culture, and not this b.s. you're trying to pass off as your 'culture'.
Do you speak one of the 1,500 dialects of West Africa? Know any actual West African recipes? Authentic dances? Songs?
I'm guessing No. Which means your family has assimilated. Which means that there's no way the 'trauma' of slavery is alive in you.
Stop trying to get this weird message across, and furthering an agenda of getting more benefits for free.
How do you even logically make that connection?
My family (and my actual tribe), and hundreds of thousands of other Native Americans, have actual, tangible, MODERN trauma that we could be using to scream for more free shit from the gov't for, but guess what?
WE DON'T.
No wonder your people are seen as lazy and ignorant, you just want more shit for free, and are using the most idiotic logic to try and justify it.

Trust me, Native Americans had it (and HAVE it) worse than your ancestors did, but guess what?

We GOT OVER IT, because THAT'S WHAT INTELLIGENT PEOPLE DO WHEN PRESENTED WITH A CHOICE TO ASSIMILATE INTO THE DOMINANT CULTURE.

And using the Oakland mindset as an explanation for being easily triggered?

Please. Maybe it could just be explained away by having poor acculturation (and a distinct desire to buck the status quo) and a lack of impulse control.

There's a thought, backed up by statistics.

You know, FACTS, not FEELINGS, to back up a position.

Ugh, what a waste of time even reading this article.

Go whine more, or improve your own damn communities, and stop expecting OTHER PEOPLE to do it FOR YOU.

1/7/2016 11:43:58 pm

By the way, we know what the fuck ACTUAL genocide is all about.

Here's a clue :

It doesn't have SHIT to do with fighting with cops and getting shot the fuck down, or shooting local rivals / strangers over drug / turf / sexual partner disputes.

It means that there's a systemic, measured, motivated effort to try and eradicate a specific group of people.

That basically takes police off the table as the biggest killers of your people.

That only leaves one other group responsible for that mess.

Want to take a guess who it might be?

Here's a hint : They're not White.

Idiot.

Jungle McFunckey

2/14/2017 04:43:20 am

Fucking dumb shitskin.

Carl Carlson link

7/20/2017 05:45:53 am

Not clear, are you saying that you lived with your great-great grandmother for many years? Because the math on that is kinda vague. Anyway, you aren't going to fix the future by staying stuck in the past. Your ancestor's problems aren't your problems, and your problems won't be your descendant's problems.

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